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The Tom Schimmer Podcast is a show about learning, leadership, and life. Primarily, it’s a podcast that focuses on current topics in K-12 education. Each week, Tom Schimmer (a best-selling education author, keynote speaker, and consultant) will lean on his 30 years of experience to keep listeners informed and entertained on the prevailing stories dominating the conversations about teaching and learning. This podcast also focuses on educational leadership by exploring how leaders can truly engineer a culture of continued professional growth. Occasionally, this podcast will explore the pursuit of success and happiness as it relates to any walk of life. Through a mix of interviews, commentary, current news stories, questions from listeners, and other segments, listeners will be well-equipped to meet the needs of learners regardless of what role they serve.
Episodes

Monday Mar 10, 2025
10 - Assessing PBL & Inquiry
Monday Mar 10, 2025
Monday Mar 10, 2025
Tom and Nat explore some important reminders about how to ensure that the assessment of both Project- and Inquiry-Based Learning are meaningful, cognitively complex, and substantive. Just "doing" PBL or Inquiry is not enough. The promise of these approaches to learning is deeper learning so our assessment practices need to reach that promise.
PROFESSIONAL LEARNING EVENTS
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) ST Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE
![BONUS [TSP Classic] - Gholdy Muhammad (July 2022)](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9247123/ASSESS_THAT_COVER_d4pnep_300x300.jpg)
Monday Feb 24, 2025
BONUS [TSP Classic] - Gholdy Muhammad (July 2022)
Monday Feb 24, 2025
Monday Feb 24, 2025
In this Tom Schimmer Podcast classic, Tom is joined by Gholdy Muhammad to discuss her book, "Cultivating Genius, an Equity Framework for Culturally and Historically Responsive Literacy."
PROFESSIONAL LEARNING EVENTS
- MAR. 5-6 (Tom) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- San Antonio, TX
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) ST Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
NEW BOOK
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Monday Feb 10, 2025
9 - 3 Year Checklist for Implementing Standards-Based Grading
Monday Feb 10, 2025
Monday Feb 10, 2025
In this episode, Tom and Nat share a three-year checklist for implementing standards-based grading. Of course, every checklist must be checked" against the culture and nuances of each specific situation. but generally, this checklist will provide a road map that can at least initiate the journey; you can adjust from there
PROFESSIONAL LEARNING EVENTS
- FEB 19 (Tom) PLC Summit KEYNOTE
- Phoenix, AZ
- MAR. 5-6 (Tom) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- San Antonio, TX
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) ST Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE

Monday Jan 27, 2025
8 - The Secrets to Self-Assessment
Monday Jan 27, 2025
Monday Jan 27, 2025
In this episode, Tom and Nat discuss the "Secrets to Self-Assessment." Having students competent in self-assessment is the ultimate outcome of teachers' assessment literacy; teachers need to teach students how to do it.
Tom and Nat discuss (1) Why Self-Assessment matters, (2) How to overcome the inevitable challenges and roadblocks that come with early implementation, and (3) Five effective self-assessment strategies.
PROFESSIONAL LEARNING EVENTS
- FEB. 6-7 (Natalie) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- Orlando, FL.
- FEB 19 (Tom) PLC Summit KEYNOTE
- Phoenix, AZ
- MAR. 5-6 (Tom) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- San Antonio, TX
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) ST Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE

Monday Dec 02, 2024
7 - The Grading Trap!
Monday Dec 02, 2024
Monday Dec 02, 2024
In this episode, Tom and Natalie discuss the "Grading Trap," which inadvertently occurs when traditional grading practices - things like zeros for missing work, late penalties, and mixing behavior with academic performance - end up working against learning instead of supporting it. The "Grading Trap" can inadvertently sabotage great teaching.
Tom and Natalie close the episode with ways that teachers can recognize the "red flags" of the "Grading Trap" and how they can get themselves out of it.
PROFESSIONAL LEARNING EVENTS
- JAN. 24-25 (Tom) NESA Educators Training Institute
- Abu Dhabi, U.A.E.
- FEB. 6-7 (Natalie) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- Orlando, FL.
- FEB 19 (Tom) PLC Summit KEYNOTE
- Phoenix, AZ
- MAR. 5-6 (Tom) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- San Antonio, TX
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) ST Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE

Monday Nov 18, 2024
6 - Three Quick Assessment Wins
Monday Nov 18, 2024
Monday Nov 18, 2024
In this episode, Tom and Natalie discuss three quick assessment wins. Each "win" falls within a specific aspect of assessment.
- Formative: Engineer conversations
- Summative: Reorganize the gradebook.
- Student Agency: Feedback through consent
PROFESSIONAL LEARNING EVENTS
- JAN. 24-25 (Tom) NESA Educators Training Institute
- Abu Dhabi, U.A.E.
- FEB. 6-7 (Natalie) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- Orlando, FL.
- FEB 19 (Tom) PLC Summit KEYNOTE
- Phoenix, AZ
- MAR. 5-6 (Tom) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- San Antonio, TX
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) ST Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE
- Podcast on X
- Tom on X
- Natalie on X
- Podcast on IG
- Tom on IG
- Natalie on IG
- Email: assessthat24@gmail.com

Monday Nov 04, 2024
5 - The Anatomy of a Good Rubric
Monday Nov 04, 2024
Monday Nov 04, 2024
In this episode, Tom and Natalie discuss what makes a good rubric. They discuss the art and science of rubrics and what constitutes a high-quality rubric. They also discuss the differences between analytic, holistic, and single-point rubrics.
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
- JAN. 24-25 (Tom) NESA Educators Training Institute
- Abu Dhabi, U.A.E.
- FEB. 6-7 (Natalie) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- Orlando, FL.
- FEB 19 (Tom) PLC Summit KEYNOTE
- Phoenix, AZ
- MAR. 5-6 (Tom) GFIO 2-Day Workshop
- San Antonio, TX
- MAR. 24-25 (Tom) SBLA 2-Day
- New Orleans, LA
- APR. 5-6 (Tom & Nat) NESA Learning Futures Summit
- Athens, Greece
- June 25-27 (Tom & Nat) Solution Tree Assessment Collaborative Institue
- Madison, WI
JENNIFER GONZALES RUBRICS BLOG:
https://www.cultofpedagogy.com/holistic-analytic-single-point-rubrics/
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE
- Podcast on X
- Tom on X
- Natalie on X
- Podcast on IG
- Tom on IG
- Natalie on IG
- Email: assessthat24@gmail.com

Monday Oct 21, 2024
4 - Are Common Assessments Worth It?
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Monday Oct 21, 2024
In this episode, Tom and Natalie ask, "Are Common Assessments Worth It?" Spoiler alert: they are, as long as certain fundamentals and conditions are adhered to. In particular, when common assessments are used formatively they can be a powerful process for enhanced learning for students and teachers!
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
- Nov. 3-5: Aurora Institute Symposium
- New Orleans, LA
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE
- Podcast on X
- Tom on X
- Natalie on X
- Podcast on IG
- Tom on IG
- Natalie on IG
- Email: assessthat24@gmail.com

Monday Oct 07, 2024
3 - Feedback - Simple & Complex
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Monday Oct 07, 2024
In this episode, Tom and Natalie explore the topic of feedback. They discuss it as both simple and complex. It's simple because there is unanimous agreement in academia about the role feedback plays in increasing student learning. It's complex because there are many contributing factors that lead to feedback potentially being ineffective.
In the end, Tom & Nat leave you with six guidelines for effective feedback.
FEEDBACK LESSONS
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
- Oct. 17-19: NESA Fall Leadership Conference (Tom)
- Dubai, U.A.E.
- Nov. 3-5: Aurora Institute Symposium
- New Orleans, LA
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE
- Podcast on X
- Tom on X
- Natalie on X
- Podcast on IG
- Tom on IG
- Natalie on IG
- Email: assessthat24@gmail.com

Monday Sep 23, 2024
2 - Quieting the Grading Noise
Monday Sep 23, 2024
Monday Sep 23, 2024
In this episode of Assess THAT, Tom and Nat discuss how educators can quiet the grading noise. Whether it be the traditional graders on one side or the undgraders on the other, many educators can find themselves feeling uncertain about how to respond.
While the extreme positions often take center stage, especially online, it is the balanced positions that are more thoughtful, grounded, and helpful for those trying to navigate grading reform.
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
- Sep. 23-24: GFIO 2-Day (Tom)
- Madison, WI
- Sep. 25-26: SBLA 2-Day (Tom)
- Madison, WI
- Sep. 30-Oct. 1: GFIO 2-Day (Natalie)
- Sacramento, CA
- Oct. 17-19: NESA Fall Leadership Conference (Tom)
- Dubai, U.A.E.
- Nov. 3-5: Aurora Institute Symposium
- New Orleans, LA
RECENT BOOKS:
- "Redefining Student Accountability"
- "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"
- "Jackpot: Nurturing Student Investment through Assessment"
CONNECT WITH TOM & NATALIE
- Podcast on X
- Tom on X
- Natalie on X
- Podcast on IG
- Tom on IG
- Natalie on IG
- Email: assessthat24@gmail.com